hi! I was wondering: it's true that sometimes for virgin girls is necessary to use the rectal canal for examin the utherus? Sorry for my bad english, i'm not american. :-)
When my girlfriend was 16, she was a virgin and had her first gyno exam. The doctor examined her externally and inserted her index finger to check internal parts, but spec was not used. Although she felt bit uncomfortable and embarrassed.
Is a visit necessary when you're a virgin? I've only heard that you require a check up when you want to go on the pill, but there's no need to otherwise right?
As I commented recently in another thread, back when I was in high school a girl friend had to see the lady doctor. She was not real specific as to why. This poor girl had a lot of problems, she had several cardiac surgeries by the time I had met her. Anyway, afterwords she commented to the effect that she was still intact and very tight and it may cause some pain if he were to examine her the normal way, so he examined her rectally. She did not say that, she said more like he stuck his finger in and felt her "back there", but I got the drift. This would have been back in the early 70's. So back than I guess it was not uncommon to examine virgins rectally.
I was a virgin at my first pelvic/rectal exam. I was dreading going to the doctor, but I thought the worst thing that could happen was I may have to bend over and slip down my panties a little bit for a shot. I never dreamed I would be put into the stirrups. I was very young and TOTALLY not mentally prepared for that.
The nurse told me to strip completely, put on the gown then slide down to the end of the table. The male doctor was old and impatient with young girls. Once the nurse finally got me into position and into the stirrups, the doctor rolled his chair between my spread open legs....then immediately introduced his ice cold fingers to my virgin opening. I was petrified and so embarrassed that I was crying almost the entire time. When he was done with the pap smear and the internal exam, he asked the nurse to stand next to me and hold my hand.
Upon hearing that I became even more upset thinking it's still not over yet. I suppose he thought it would be less agonizing for me when his finger barged into my rectum if the nurse was holding my hand while he did it. It wasn't. I think if he had a nicer bedside manner it wouldn't have been so upsetting.
My wife was a virgin her first time at 22. She was in pain (ended up being kidney stones). The ER doc did a vaginal-rectal, no speculum. Her first full exam was at 24 after we started having sex.
When I was still a virgin and I had my first pelvic exam, my doctor also examined me rectal so he didn't hurt my hymen. It felt kinda weird but also a bit exciting.
Which type and size of speculum has been found to be the most comfortable and best tolerated for a virgin? I've read that a small Pederson may be the best choice.
I think a lot of it will depend on the state of the hymen, perhaps more than geographical location.
I heard that the pelvic exams on virgins in some countries, (like Spain for example) are done rectally, never vaginally. This is quite interesting.
Are there other countries where this is the standard procedure? I would be interested to hear from people with their real life experiences of this.
I would imagine that for some (who dislike rectal exams) this would almost act as an incentive to become sexually active! :)
I was a virgin at my first 3 gyn exams and received normal, complete pelvic exams with external, speculum, pap, bi-manual and recto-vaginal examinations. The only consideration made to my virginity during my first exam was the use of a pediatric/virginal speculum and the doctor going slow and describing what was happening at each part of the exam. At the two subsequent exams when I was still a virgin, a regular medium sized (ouch!) was used, just as it is today.
i had been mid of 15 as i had my first gyn exam. Had been there with my mom together. The doctor did a full gyn exam. Use a small speculum. It didn't hurt but felt uncomfortable cold pressure.
I was a virgin at 19 when I had my first exam. They used a smaller speculum but that was the only difference.
As for being examined if you are not sexually active or on the pill.....cancer and abnormalities can occur at any age. One of my friends, at age 24 (who was a virgin at the time) had abnormal cells come back from her pap that year. It was not cancer, but what if it had been? Just like with breast exams at a young age. Sure, the odds are greater that you won't have anything wrong until you're older, but we have a commercial going around right now in my city from a local hospital about a woman who was 22, fresh out of college and found a lump in her breast which did turn out to be cancerous. The commercial is promoting breast self exams at a young age.
Sure, odds are most people are going to make it to their older years before something happens. BUT there are always some who have issues earlier in life. Me, I'd rather have my annual exams and make sure everything is ok than have a problem that could have been caught early with a simple test.
But that's just me. *shrug*
I had a full pelvic and pap as a virgin. It's a bit uncomfortable. She did use a smaller spec and did a lot more explaining but it was a pretty normal pelvic exam/pap.
Dear Lady Teddy,
Thank you for your kind response...It is always good to learn the secrets of the speculum, Californian style et al...
Dear Dr. Philip,
I was on the birth control pill from 1978 until sometime in the middle 2000's and I always received a full Gyn exam for my annual pill check-up in the United States. I did have to change to a no estrogen pill, because I was developing what is commonly called, "the mask of pregnancy" on my arms. Since I am blonde and very fair, it was fairly easy to notice. It did fade some when I changed pills, but it never completely went away. Finally, I just stopped taking the pills and now, I use something else.
Lady Teddy, blonde hair with blue eyes and a native Californian girl
Philip, I addressed this issue a couple of years ago - here's a link to the post:
Like you and many others of 'a certain age', I remember when these 'pill examinations' were standard procedure here in the UK and as such some interesting stuff fell into my ever-eager ears!
As EGB1969 says, here in the UK in the 60's,70's,80's, and probably some of the 90's, if a girl visited her GP or the family planning clinic to go on the pill then she would be given an internal examination and often a breast examination as well. It didn't matter if she was a virgin or not, it was still done and done vaginally. Rectal examinations are few and far between in the UK. I've only ever heard of women aged around 40 or over having a rectal during a general health screening, and then only at a private clinic appointment paid for by their employers.
But at some point I'm not sure exactly when but probably sometime in the 90's, these routine internal examinations for the pill ceased, and nowadays they just check the BP and more general stuff like that and a regular smear test is offered to all women from age 25 in England. I'm not sure why they stopped doing these pill checks, but perhaps the examinations didn't reveal much and became a bit pointless.
Does anyone in the UK know when these pill checks were stopped and why, and if it was a general instruction to GPs and family planning clinics by the Dept of Health?
I was 15 and a virgin when I had my first speculum and internal exam (never a rectal though) I had heavy periods so there was a medical reason, and in the UK in the 80's if you went on the pill you got a full exam every year regardless of age or state or virginity, I think I had 4 speculum exams as a virgin
I agree with ginger89 on this. What is the point of having a pelvic exam if there is nothing wrong with you and you are a virgin even at the "magic" age of 18 or whatever?
What is the point of going to the gyno if nothing is apparently wrong and there is no need to go on the pill? How is it decided that 21 is the age when you are supposed to start getting checked ?
These days, many, if not most girls lose their hymens from physical activity, masturbation and tampon use.
To some extent it's more a decision of what can be tolerated than whether or not the patient is a virgin. Use of a pediatric speculum , single finger exam, etc are options. If there is a decision not to examine vagnally then a rectal only is an option to palpate the uterus and ovaries. It's not the same as a rectovaginal or even a vaginal exam since you cannot manipulate the cervix, uterus, etc with your vaginal fingers.
I was a virgin for my first one. I was given an internal with one finger in my vagina and also a speculum was inserted. I was given a rectal exam but it was as well as rather than instead of.
My wife was a virgin at her first exam with no rectal. She did not start receiving rectals until age 40.
I was a virgin the first three time I had a pelvic exam. Stirrups the first two times and knee crutches the third. Ages 15.5, 17, and 18. All with speculum and rectal exams, all male doctors. After that they could use the big stuff on me.
Before I was 16 I remember being examined externally a few times. At around 16 I was still a virgin and I had my first internal exam with a speculum... no matter what size this thing was, it felt far too big at that time ;-) My next exam was with a different doc and I was no longer a virgin - only then I received a rectal as well... :o
I had no knowledge of pelvic examinations while I was still a virgin but would question the need to do a PAP smear on a woman who had not had vaginal intercourse.
I understand that an arbitrary age has been set at which PAP tests should be done regardless of sexual activity (or lack of it), but I think that it is in an abundance of caution and difficult; if by some miracle the young woman's hymen has survived her youthful--if non sexual--activities.
I was wondering what country you were in when you had your first pelvic. All the friends who I've talked to about their exams have all had rectal exams. That is here in the US.
I was a virgin for my first gyno visit. There was no rectal. I've compared notes with many friends and they also never mentioned a rectal.
I was (am a virgin) my first exam at 14 years old. Virginity and age aside a she did it all. Speculum, pap smear, bimnaual & rectal. For me the worst part being a virgin was the pap smear. Ouch!
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