Has anyone ever used a concealed camera to record their exam? I've been toying with the idea of using a pen camera to video my next physical.
I would think that there could actually be some legal ramifications to doing this. Doing it is disrespectful of your spouse/significant other at best, and illegal at worst. Sort of disrespectful of the doctor too. Even worse is when people post it online without their SO's knowledge or permission. There are some serious privacy and ethical concerns with those things.
Once again another element of kink and fetish fall under "work is work, play is play". This definitely qualifies.
As everyone has succiently pointed out in this thread, there IS a lot of risk and consequences to be considered secretly audio and/or filming an exam for reasons other than for legitimate medical reasons as those that have been mentioned. Another thing to think about if you are caught. Your records with that medical practice are more than likely to be marked in some manner alerting the providers who request your records. You may end up having a very difficult time finding a provider to have as a GP or Primary Care physician etc in a practice or in some form of an urgent clinic for you and your family and/or friends. Why for your family and friends? Countless people ask each other for help in considering a provider and they will usually mention who advised them. The staff of this provider is not going to break HIPPA laws and mention to them they had a problem with you. However there can be an issue of trust and acceptance for this potential patient because of your behavior in this office and/or clinic. One must ask themselves if this covert behavior is really worth it to satisfy this "itch" that is part of your kink/fet.
Regarding what Ladydoc said, if you want to record something during your doctor's appointment, just let them know and they will probably let you do an audio recording that will enable you to remember what they said.
I rather doubt they will appreciate your making a video recording, especially of your naked body. Depending on how you make the recording, they can tell if it is for medical information or your prurient interests.
Also as Ladydoc stated, they could terminate you as a patient if they find you are surreptitiously recording them.
Most succinctly put. I totally agree.
My family has a saying "Small/Large upside, Small/Large Downside". The point of which is to weigh the upside of a choice against it's downside.
It occurs to me, that given this issue, this analysis seems prudent. On one hand, we have the upside of creating a personal exam video. While this would probably be a significant upside to many people, it would occur to me that there might be other ways to achieve this, including searching the internet, visiting a play-practitioner, etc.
On the flip-side, the potential damage here seems overwhelming. The obvious factors are the risk of discovery by the medical practice, which could have consequences ranging from the loss of the opportunity to visit that particular doctor, to the potential of criminal prosecution and possibly even jail time. Then one also must consider that, in doing this, the medical professional becomes an un-willing, un-aware partner in your fetish activity. I certainly cannot speak for everyone, but in the shoes of a real-life doc (which I am not), I would personally be less than thrilled by a patient engaging in this practice. It just seems less than honorable to me, and perhaps even, to continue the use of the term by ladydocisin, creepy.
Every person must weigh those odds against each other for themselves, but I find it hard to imagine that the benefits here outweigh the risks and downsides..........the juice just isn't worth the squeeze.
I know of many who have audio recorded and filmed parts of their exams. Though they are also upfront with their physician. They do this so they can have the right information when they leave the office. The people I know who do this have exams for things such as cancer, and other serious and chronic conditions. Our family records exams with my Grandmother, who is 96yrs and her physician so all of us know and understand exactly the instructions and information that is given to her physician and to us. The exams regarding my Grandmother are audio recorded.
Gonna have to look into this. It would be really cool to be able to watch these over again
I have used pen cameras and different cel phones. Pen cameras do no have the quality... put it on pause or activate as you go in. With a large mem i can film 45min that lasted her last gyn
You're obviously aware of this or you wouldn't be doing it secretly.
You can configure your cel phone camera so it does NOT turn itself off after 30 minutes.
Just depends on the size of your memory chip (I have filmed my wife's annual of over an hour long with no problem)
Love doing it!
I'd love to have a tape of my exam, but not secret. I'd want a camera operator who's impartial. The doctor and / or assistant could have a copy on request, as long as it's handled as part of my medical record.
One of the projects I'm working on is to make an instructional video of the physical exam I teach at the medical school. No kink, really educational.
I will be happy of film the part of the exam where my anus is examined.
This is a very interesting topic and as such, I did a little research on the laws in my state. Generally speaking, SC is a "single-party consent" state. In other words only one person in the room has to be aware that videotaping is occurring. However, that all flies out the window if there is a third party in the room; in that case, all three parties must be aware and give consent. That seems pretty straightforward but there is another statute under which a person engaging in covert videotaping could be prosecuted. That is the "Peeping Tom" statute, or the "unlawful and unwarranted invasion of the privacy of another party". Laws vary widely from state to state and the vast majority of states in the US are two-party consent states. SC is one of the few that is still a single-party consent state.
As for the "expectation of privacy" theory, there is no place where that is more important than in a doctor's office or other health care setting. Federal statutes connected to the HIPAA act lay down stiff monetary fines and prison sentences for those who violate principles of privacy and confidentiality. Even pharmacies are required to comply, if you go to a large chain pharmacy and you have to wait in line, you may notice that the head of the line is a good distance away from the pharmacist's counter where you received your medication and counseling about purpose, side effects, etc. Further, a doctor that suspects that you are covertly recording an interaction has the right to terminate you as a patient. And no, it's not always an easy thing to find another doctor, particularly in a tertiary specialty.
If you honestly feel that you are unable to retain the information given during an encounter, just tell your doctor that instead of sneaking around. If you feel you must record in order to "get away with something" so be it, just don't get caught. My personal feeling is that taping an encounter with a medical professional without their knowledge is deceitful and creepy, but that's just my opinion.
I am pretty sure that video taping one's own exam is not illegal so long as there is no audio recorded. It is illegal to record someone without their knowledge over the telephone. Laws making it illegal to video record in "places where privacy is expected" like bathrooms, locker rooms, etc. or with hidden cams in hotel rooms were enacted primarily due to cell phone camcorder capability in the last decade. However, when somebody records video where they are the only person undressed, no law has been broken. You may have to find another doctor if you get caught but it is so easy to do that, no doctor would ever suspect if done correctly. I have recorded 5 or 6 exams by clipping my phone on my belt and hanging my pants over a chair so that the lens is pointed at the exam table. I start the recording after the nurse leaves the room but before the doctor comes in. That gives me about 30 minutes of recording time. In one video the doctor writes me a script and lays it on the chair where my clothes are (and phone that is recording). I have recorded genital exams, prostate exams, and dermatology exams. I started recording exams for the same reason; I wanted to make sure I got all of the doctor's instructions right.
I tape-recorded my 6-week checkup following my hysterectomy but not for fetish reasons. There was a big mistake after my surgery and I received an accidental morphine overdose and well, let's just say I had a near-death experience. Thankfully, I was brought back. My parents and boyfriend were there to witness the resuscitation and it traumatized them terribly. The hospital did their best to confuse my family and friends and acted like it wasn't their fault. So I wanted to ask the doc about the incident and have his words recorded for evidence. Unfortunately, he wasn't there when the OD took place and he was snowed by hospital just like my family and the nursing notes had somehow disappeared from my medical record, so we never got to the bottom of it.
Anyway, the exam was relaxed and casual. My gyno's wife was his PA so it was the two of them and me and my boyfriend in the exam room together. It was kind of like two couple chatting except one of us (me) was in the stirrups. The doctor asked if we had had sex yet. I was thrown off by his question because I was wanting to ask him something but he mistook my blush, ers and ums as embarrassment not as a "wait a minute, I'm staring at the ceiling and can't think straight let me gather my thoughts" kind of way. He immediately followed up the question with, "Did it help?" Then caught himself and said, "I mean, did it hurt." And we all giggled together at his slip of the tongue. (Oh, that sounds inappropriate.)
Anyway, I didn't get the info I wanted but listened to the tape in case there were instructions my boyfriend forgot to tell me or that I couldn't remember from being in the stirrups. It's hard to concentrate or take notes when you're in that position. It was kind of interesting to hear all the noises and hearing him tell me what he was going to do, telling me what to do and describing everything he was doing to me. He even had his wife/PA examine me and the two of them talked back and forth to each other about my healing and recovery.
I've never considered videotaping an exam. I'm pretty sure that it's illegal without all participants knowing about the camera and that my tape-recording the exam was illegal as well. But I dared not ask the doc for his permission because I was afraid he'd shut down and not tell me the truth about the morphine OD mix up. If you can find a doc to allow it, more power to you. But I wouldn't risk losing the relationship I have with a few good docs just to get my jollies and amuse myself. It's hard to find a good doc.
Can't say I have, but sounds very tempting. :)
WOuld love to see pictures or the video
WOuld love to see pictures or the video
I might try to do a few frame captures if I get the chance. I'll have to crop them so my face isn't visible. :)
WOuld love to see pictures or the video
Just recently I tried secretly recording two of my doctor's visits with my cell phone camera. My results were mixed.
The first time I tried it, it was a dermatologist appt. It wasn't for a completely body exam where I get totally nude, so for most of this video, I'm in just my white briefs. But the video actually turned out ok, especially for a first try.
The second time I tried it, was for a full physical exam. I was able to record the nurse doing the EKG, and I also have a nice video of me sitting on the exam table while the dr (out of picture) reviews my medical history. But the darn video cuts off automatically at 30 minutes, which I didn't realize. So that's about all I got. I would have loved to capture my entire physical exam, but didn't get it.
Now I'm on the hunt for some way to allow my Android phone to go beyond 30 minutes at a time. It's not a storage space issue, it's just hard-wired to quit after 30 minutes.
No never filmed an examination
Very nice pics uerate.... thank you for posting!
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I do love to film and take pics of real exams...
got many already
only once I asked permition from the gyn doctor and filmed with a regular video camera alllllllll the exam from getting on the chair to the end.
The other exams were filmed with cell phone, and some with a small spy camera.
The quality of the cell phone is superb, the spy camera is poor quality but it works as well
get a large size memory chip on your camera ant start filming as you are called in, that way no one suspects from seeing you trying to turn the camera on
i hav posted some stills taken from some filming
Cell phones have come a long way as far as video and still photo recording. I've been recording my gf's exams for a number of years and at this point there is enough standard memory on a cell phone even without adding a storage card to tape a complete exam. The issue though comes with sharing. I've made still and video edits to block out faces and so forth and shared with a very few trusted friends...but you run a huge risk of someone posting a pic that should be kept private. I had this happen once and while you could not figure out who was in the pic by looking it would have been possible with a few other pics I have shared. Once that happens....at least for me....I get cut off from taping her appointments. It's a major dilemna with sharing this type of material. Even when there is a special member area...you end up with someone getting access who fails to follow the rules ruing things for those who do. I've yet to think of a way for us to share amongst those of us who are trustworthy....
Hey Mike, sounds very cool. Do you plan on sharing these videos? If so, I'd love to see them. Adina.
I have looked at the laws regarding covert video recording. So long as there is no audio and so long as the video does take place where one would expect privacy (bathroom, locker room), it is legal to record one's own medical exam. The only person would could be embarrassed is the one doing the recording. Out of respect for the doctor I try to edit the video to not show the doctor's face.
What I found that works best is clipping my cell phone with built in camcorder onto my belt and then hanging my pants over the back of the chair in the exam room so that the camera is at about waist level. The cell phone looks natural clipped to my belt and no doctor has ever caught on.
It is easy to do so long as you don't loose your cool. Once you have the recording started forget about it and focus on your exam. I usually get the recording started between the time the nurse leaves the exam room after telling me to get undressed, and the time the doctor comes in. I have about 30 minutes of recording time with the internal memory in the phone.
I have my annual skin cancer screening coming up in 2 weeks with a new doctor. A cute young blue eyed blond; my favorite. I will be sure to list on my medical history having genital warts removed at my last screening (true)and the skin cancer I had removed several years ago. A viagra just before I get to the doctor's office will help her find any of those pesky genital warts that seem to keep coming back.
I actually just did that a few months ago.
I can't argue with that but just the same I don't think we have any rights as a as there employer. Haven't for years and when I did think so I was just naive.
You know what blows me away is that it is our bodies, and Doctors work for us, . . .
You know what blows me away is that it is our bodies, and Doctors work for us, . . .
Yes, doctors do work for their patients, but they don't have to be your doctor (be your employee) if you want them to do something they don't want to do.
You know what blows me away is that it is our bodies, and Doctors work for us, if you want a video who is he to say no? But the guy that's afraid of a malpractice suit They hate witnesses!!!
K I feel better getting off my soapbox.
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