Medical students

Anyone been to a consult at a teaching hospital and been asked if its ok for medical students to be present during your examination? how did you feel about being asked...did you say yes or no...how did you feel during the exam

I was refered to a gastroenterologist at a teaching hospital. The actual Doctor was female but her student was male. I was asked if it was ok for the student to be present which I agreed to. Unfortunately, when it came to the physical examination it was left to the male student and not the Female Doctor. The Doctor actually left the room and let the student get on with it before she returned to hear the findings.

I was a medical/surgical patient in a hospital that offers adjunct teaching services to the local medical school. Because my case was so complex, I was the "demo model" for Grand Rounds (or whatever they call it now) several mornings in a row. The nurse would always come in my room early in the morning and ask me if I was up to it. I always said yes, even though I knew I'd be exhausted afterwards. I was glad to do it because it was all in the name of teaching and because it frequently got me out of a visit with the respiratory therapist!

Play On!

LadyDoc

Yes - also a Gastroenterologist (actually two Gastros) at a teaching hospital.

I wouldn't have students in the room again - whilst I accept they have to learn somehow, in both cases the doctor tended to talk to the student rather than the patient.

The second time, the doctor was so interested in talking to the student he had already decided what was wrong with me, totally ignored my syptoms and prescribed something that, had I taken it, would have made the problem worse!

I've got an appointment at a university hospital in September and the letter says that there may be students with the consultant but that I can of course say no. so perhaps I should put the potential "fun" bit second to my well-being! thanks for your comments.

There are two sides of a coin. Medical students need 'real' patients in order to learn and make diagnoses and if patients refuse this, it's not an ideal situation from students' point of view. On the other hand, patient's well-being is the most important thing.

To my knowledge, student groups are sometimes too large and that's why some people feel it uncomfortable if a doctor is more focused on students than the patient. This is, of course, very understandable and doctors must take this into account more often, I think.

The choice is yours, Amy.

Think you're spot on there Baraja. i had a friend who was in a teaching hospital for a biopsy on a lump in her breast. she agreed to a student presence and about a dozen turned up with the consultant. she was not happy with being gawped at (her words!) by a large group of spotty lads (her words!) and then being groped (again her word!) by each of them in turn. i feel sure that she would have been happy and coped with just a couple. not quite sure how come they were ALL MALE...i would have thought the group would have been mixed !

I find you can use this situations to your own advantage .

take it as a expirence and enjoy it . as it could never happen again or

just grin and bear it . .

not quite sure how come they were ALL MALE...i would have thought the group would have been mixed !

It's pure random whether the group of students are all male, all women or both sexes. But I don't think this is a relevance issue here. The point is, the group should be just a few students. Otherwise it may be uncomfortable, especially, if all students may have an opportunity to 'learn' with a patient. And certainly it depends on the particular exam itself too.

I certainly would not want a dozen internals >😢 but 12 pairs of hands on my boobs???? :-\

Sometimes students are only watching during an examination even if it's a teaching hospital. No maximum fun always. 😉

My previous GP was and I allowed a couple of the students to "practice" on me or be present. The one that didn't participate was a woman student and nice looking. Too bad.

This has never happened to me, but if it did, for my comfort, I would tend to say "no," however, I would hope I could muster the courage to say "yes" because the embarrassment would be so hot to think about afterwards.

Who feels uncomfortable with students watching during exams, especially when it will be a genital or rectal or gyn exam. Don't hesitate asking for privacy. This is a role in every teaching hospital to accept patient wishes.

They have to learn someplace, off of someone. Remember, they are not looking at your naughty bits as naughty bits. Sex or getting excited doesn't cross their minds at all.

Also remember, the more they learn as students, the better medical professionals they later down the road. By allowing them to see normal anatomy, or if you have a problem, it helps them possibly save someone elses life later, or help keep them from turning a small problem into a big one.

When ever I am asked if students can come watch and or participate, I ALWAYS agree to let them. After all, others did it when I was learning, and I was and am still greatly appreciative.

And if you are wondering, if I saw them on the street I wouldn't be able to recognize them. Actually, that would have been true too 30 minutes after they left the office as well. Just in case you are thinking that it would be embarrassing for you later. It won't be, we don't remember stuff like that.

I also appreciated it during my Med School. And most of the patients agreed. But we asked all the time for permission. That is important!!

Today, I went to the gyno, the LPN there had a student LPN training there. The LPN asked me if I would be comfortable with her student observing my visit. Surprisingly, I didn't mind as much as I thought I would, even when the doctor examined me down there. I figured the person would have to learn somehow, and if people are not comfortable, how else are they gonna learn.

My wife had a gyno problem some time ago, (cervical warts) which required an internal exam before surgery.....at the internal exam there were 2 male students present...one of whom was the boy from a family who lived close by and with whom we were friendly....she did not recognise him at first...it was not until about two weeks after when my wife met his Mother at the market that she said her son had taken part in her exam.....in fact, both students did the internal under instruction from the Gyno.....even now, my wife still cannot face the Mother or the son.....thinking of the day the small boy she used to know from the next street saw her with her legs wide open and pushed his fingers in her pussy is just too much...

Wow francesJM. It's a good thing that male student lives there instead of here in the USA.

If that same situation would have happened here there could have been very serious consequences from him telling his mother that he had been involved in such an intimate exam with your wife.

With the laws that we have here he would have been disciplined, and even more so because he was a student. I know other countries have rules and laws against handing out patient information, here in the states those laws and or rules fall under what we call HIPAA.

A lot of times following HIPAA guidelines is really tough, but often it's a blessing if you are on the receiving end of the speculum so to speak.

From my point of view the same. No medical staff is allowed talking about patient visits to non medical colleagues.

Amd the next point. Your neighbours boy should better get another job than in the medical field. Not very sensitive !!

My regular doctor often has med students around for exams and I don't mind, but I've never had students around when getting my exam from the ob/gyn. I probably wouldn't mind.

As for the neighbor's son who took part in the exam and talked about it, he would be fired at our local hospital. The new privacy laws are making everyone think twice/thrice on talking about patients.

T

Only once or twice.But I was not examened,just consulting the urologist about some new antibiotics,thats it.I did feel awkward,I'm glad they did not examine me...

When we were really young like infant school we were examined nude, but from about age 8 plus when our family doctor had me undress to panties and then when she ahd finished examining top half I got to put top back on before removing panties for quick check.

I've been a simulated patient, for my mom, for years. She pays me well, I'm a pre-med student...so that's really important, and she makes sure I'm well taken care of (not hurt (usually) by student mistakes) and that my dignity and modesty or preserved as much as possible. It's not my favorite thing to do....but someone has to. I look at it as making a sacrifice for the good of every other girl who goes for an examination or procedure.

Steffy_G,

Do you see your medfet as being a conflict of interest as a pre-med student, or do you think that some or most doctors have a little medfet in them as part of the reason for pursuing a career in medicine? Since your mom is a doctor, it is not uncommon to see you in pre-med.

I have been training student doctors for 10 years as an SP / GUTA which I have written about extensively here http://www.zity.biz/index.php?mx=forum;ox=display;topic=34909.0 here, http://www.zity.biz/index.php?mx=forum;ox=display;topic=59157.0 and here, http://www.zity.biz/index.php?mx=forum;ox=display;topic=29381.0

Would love to find you among the med students in their first year of medical school in 2016 where I am an SP.

I was 15 years old at that time. My eight year older cousin asked if she could do a head to toe exam with me in front of her classmates and supervisors. I would earn some money. Of course I said yes.

I got a white T-Shirt & black shorts (with the Hospital logo) and I got a name tag for the exam.

The investigation was filmed for private purposes. I felt weird because everyone was staring at me 😄

But it was Ok.