A school medical which I never had

Since I was about 12 or 13 I have always wondered what it would have felt like to be told that I was to have a medical. It was not the check up with the nurse ( boring ! ) but having to see the doctor and being told to strip to my under pants. If this had been at school then I would have been with other boys and would have found it exciting to see them in just their pants. However it wasn't until I was much older that I got my first real medical.

Hi. Have a look at my account of our junior school group medicals in the school medical section, hope this helps with your requirements, having missed out on naked physicals when you were younger.

I agree with you that an exam with the nurse alone would have been boring. In my case, about 12 of us from 4th/5th? grade- only boys- were told to go to the nurse's office where she told us to get into the three cubicles and take off everything except our underpants. You are right, it was tight quarters and no way to not look at each other. The exam was done by a doctor, not the nurse, although she was in the exam room with the doctor the whole time. Sadly, details have faded over the long time.

Sports physicals for high school involved stripping down to our underwear.

In grade 7 we went to a physical en masse. We were put into a changing room to change into gowns, and later went into a small office to see a doctor and nurse with no other kids there. In the changing room there was a male teacher that made sure we put our clothes in baskets and handed out gowns. One boy, who was unusually well developed, took his underpants off and went to get the gown, but the teacher told him he should leave his underpants on.

Poor guy you missed out on a stimulating coming of age ritual.

Guys coaching, us girls with our boobs exposed. Memories.

Fifth grade was the first time for me. Continuous line one class after another.

Seventh and eighth were the most erotic as I was discovering my sexuality.

I've written here before about the exams I had at school. As guys we had to wait in our underpants to see the doc. When younger we mainly wore briefs but by the more senior years most of us wore boxers or boxer briefs.

There were some initial checks eg height/weight, BP and auscultation which were done en masse by a nurse or junior doc in just our underpants.

We then took it one at a time to go behind a screen or curtain to "drop 'me" and let the doc inspect our genitals. There was normally a hernia check, tanner assessment then a quick look at the penis which included retraction of the foreskin.

Usually he also did a visual anal check which required bending over the exam table or getting up on all 4s. I think they were checking for haemorroids or maybe poor hygiene.

As there was no wall or door, just a screen or curtain, there was almost no privacy, as all the rest of the guys could hear the doc's instructions. Everyone waiting heard what they were soon going to experience for themself..

I posted my experience back in December 2010, the exam having occurred back in the 1960's. I can add clarification that while we were split in groups in cubicles when we stripped down to briefs, we were called, one by one, for the exams by doctor and nurse. I was last. I only remember lying on a table with the briefs pulled down.

I've also previously posted the account of my first group sports physical, most recently I talked about it again here:

http://www.zity.biz/index.php?mx=forum;ox=display;msg=768431

Suffice it to say that it was embarrassing and exciting all at the same time.

I had similar experiences to Matt when I had my physicals at school. We all stripped down to our underpants in the changing rooms, which in mine and the majority of cases was boxer briefs, and then walked from there down the corridor into the gym, having to run the gauntlet of girls wolf whistling at us, which gave me a hard on before we even got started.

Once in we went from station to station, as we had basic measurements taken to start off with as they measured my height, weight and also my waist size. I also had my blood pressure taken and had to give a blood and urine sample. They checked my eyes, ears and throat, and then I moved onto being auscultated. They checked my lungs, heart and abdomen. In the case of my heart, they stethed me at rest and then I had to run on the spot for a minute before being checked again so they could listen to my heart beating fast. I also had to lie on a bed so they could palpate all areas of my stomach, and then sit up for reflex tests. Finally, I had to stand up and touch my toes while they run their fingers along my spine, and also put my hands behind my back as they checked my lymph nodes and how I was developing with hair under my arms.

The final part was,going behind a screen and having to remove my boxers so that they could first do a hernia check, being asked to cough in both directions, and then them having a feel of my balls, and also checking my glans, after first retracting my foreskin. This part only took a minute or two, but everyone could here what was being said so knew what to expect!

Jimmy Johnson, your story reminded me of wrestling weigh-ins when I was in junior high and high school but not the group sports physicals where we were in underpants only. It may sound strange to younger guys who have never had group physicals for school sports that you were only in a jockstrap and we were in briefs only for those physicals but that was considered to be a modest version of what our fathers went through with nude physicals for the military. It was probably considered a big step forward for us to be allowed to wear anything at all for exams. It would be interesting to know when and how that took place and how much resistance there was from coaches and doctors to letting us wear anything. As you said, we got use to it. The first few times wearing only a jockstrap to be weighed-in for wrestling were embarrassing but after that I doubt that any of us thought that it was embarrassing. Same with sports physicals, we were a little embarrassed at first to be in the gym wearing only our underpants but then it became no different than being in the locker room. I don't know how it was for the other boys. I had two brothers so it might have been easier for me in that we shared a bedroom growing up and modesty at home was not important in our family. We watched TV on the living room in our underwear until we were teens and went from our bedroom to the bathroom in that or less.

It may sound strange to younger guys who have never had group physicals for school sports that you were only in a jockstrap and we were in briefs only for those physicals but that was considered to be a modest version of what our fathers went through with nude physicals for the military.

Yes, that's exactly the point that I think a lot of people (male and female) today have a difficult time grasping. It WAS a different time, there WAS a totally different view of what constituted modesty and there WAS a totally different view of what was considered normal. I firmly believe that most of the embarrassing things that I endured during school (in P.E. and sports physicals) had it's roots in the military. At my school (not a high achieving college-prep high school by any means), the big assumption at that time was that some large percentage of the boys would enter military service upon graduation (since a lot of the families couldn't afford college anyway). Therefore, it was OK to handle the boys as if they were already in the military for teams and P.E. just to get them used to how things will eventually be for them. I think the idea was that it would give us a much-needed dose of discipline and structure. Add the fact that the coaches and P.E. teachers were all ex-military Vietnam vets, and you've got the making of a really terrible (and embarrassing) P.E.and sports experience.

At my school (not a high achieving college-prep high school by any means), the big assumption at that time was that some large percentage of the boys would enter military service upon graduation (since a lot of the families couldn't afford college anyway). .

I'm not sure what decades you are talking about, but indeed, when I was in school in the US in the 50s and 60s (pre Vietnam if you can wrap that around your 21st century heads), it was taken for granted that boys would be drafted sooner or later (later if they went to college perhaps or had rich daddies or went to divinity school), but it would be nigh universal nonetheless. I had schoolyard conversations with fellow boy pupils discussing the merits of the branches of the armed forces as in, in the Navy no marching, but you could drown more easily or tanks were cool but so were jets but they crashed or burned and so on. There really was a general awareness that military service was inevitable and that moreover, sooner or later we'd be going 'eyeball to eyeball with the Russkies' as Slim Pickens said in Dr. Strangelove ... 😃 😃

We grew up with memories of the Big One from just a few years ago as matter of fact lessons in life experiences.

So yes, the times have been a changin' all right.

Definitely only a small percentage of kids today go into the military so there is a big dividing line between those with military experience and those without any. When I was growing up in the 60s, 70s and 80s, almost everyone's dad had been in the military. WWII, Korea, Vietnam. Looking back it is a wonder that we kids weren't treated more harshly than we were given our father's backgrounds. Not that we got off completely. We were definitely spanked at home and paddled at school for misbehavior that wouldn't be considered anything serious today. We were definitely stripped down to underpants or jockstraps for physicals. Our school showers were supervised. PE uniform requirements were enforced, with real consequences. Nudity was not considered a big deal at all in an all male environment. I went to boy scout camp. In spite of the uniform wearing during the day, there were almost no rules for other activities. We swam nude in the lake. We went to the showers wearing nothing or maybe underpants. Some older boys took a morning run in their jockstraps and tennis shoes only. It was camp and it was in the woods. Other than older women who worked in the kitchen or the camp medical office, it was an all male camp. We were accustomed to moms seeing us wearing not much or nothing at all. Yeah, there was a girls camp across the lake at one of the boy scout camps but it was not close and if the girls got a look I don't think that it ever occurred to us.

"Doctor jay "

you said that you have already related your experience of junior school physicals in the section called school physicals but where is this section ?

how can we find it?

Is it in the same discussion " med fed" and "examination" or in an other place of the forum?

"Jimmy johnson" : I have known some similar experiences at middle school and high school in France in the last 50's and first 60's on certain points even if there were some differences. We were never instructed to wear jockstraps, it was not the use in France, so we were never instructed to undress in jockstraps with our butts clearly exposed at the mandatory school physicals.

We had as I have already related it a mandatoty school physical at the beguinning of each year school and it was not possible to skip it, the examination was performed most of the time and especially at high school by a lady doctor who was a middle age woman ( almost all the school doctors were women since the 60's, while the years before there was still a few number of male school doctors mainly in the all boys schools), a woman nurse also middle aged and sometimes a young student nurse who was coming at the school for a training course.

The undressing in group, around 15 or 20 students half of a class, was the first step supervised always by a Pe teacher and we had to undress all together in underwears which were all at that time white tighty whities immediately after our coming in the locker room and then to sit on benches until we were called to enter in the examination room one by one by the nurse.

It was like that since the first year of middle school, so the process was expected and there was no surprise, we knew that during the examination, we had to drop our brief for the inspection of our genitals and palpation of our balls and examination of our penis with our foreskin retracted and the usual hernia test " caugh and turn" and also and it was still more embarrassing because we were more exposed to the view of the nurses a check in the nude of our spine and gait with some steps toward the wall, then stop face to the wall, then standing up straight with butts tightened, then bending over and touch our ankles, then lift up again and coming back towards the doctor for a more close inspection of the spine back to the doctor and bending over again ...

There could be a few differences but it was the casual way of performing our examinations at school.

The surprise came at high school during two years when a Pe teacher who was a former military man and was very strict about discipline ( he used to kick our asses during the Pe lessons each time he thought that we needed it for being too unruly, or too late to obey to his instructions or for any other reasons .) instructed us to strip completely that meaned to remove our brief before entering in the exam room as soon as we were the next student boy to be called by the nurse according to his list of boys.

He said that it would be more efficient, that it was more practical than to remove it after and to have to put it on a chair, that anyway we did not need to wear a brief during an examination, that the ladies were used to see male teenagers in the nude so it was not a big deal ( it was true except for the young student nurse who might have enjoyed her training course)

We were surprised and embarrassed but at that time no boy could complain or refuse to obey to an instruction of an adult who was an authoritarian man.

So we stripped completely one by one when it was just before our turn.

A bad experience but we get over it of course, We had heard by our fathers or uncles how the pre-military physical examinations were performed in the nude in a large group in front of the draft board commission and after induction also, so we thought that it was only the beguinning of our embarrassing physicals.

Yet it was different because for the military service at least in France ( it seems that it was not the same in all countries) the examinations were performed in the nude but in an only male environment, there was no women present, even middled aged doctors or nurses, and of course no women secretaries.

But It was nevertheless much more embarrassing at the next draft physical examinations which came soon after and we stayed naked for much more time than at the school physical examinations where it was for around 5 and 10 minutes.

At school, we had not sport physicals in a gym like yours, apart of the annual school physical examination for all students which did not take place in the gym but in the nurse 's office.

I believe like you that all the set up of the school examinations was at that time mainly inspired by military methods which were considered as very efficient and there was no thought about the modesty of boy's students since they had to forgive it at their draft examination and it was mandatory also for each young man of 18 age at that time, even those who went after graduation to great schools or universities, so it was rather logical to treat us a little like future draftees at the school examinations.

I assume that the decision of our Pe teacher to make us strip completely before entering in the exam room and to be naked for all the examination had received the agreement of the school authorities (because there was very soon a rumor about it and every student knew how he treated his students ) or at least that of the lady doctor. who could have told him that it was not necessary but she did not say anything !

"Mizz Lenka"

You are right about the strong memories that we boys have of our school or sport physical examination as a ritual of initiation ( may be like you said girls also when they had their boobs exposed like you said, but I doubt that they were generally so harshly treated than boys by their coaches and Pe teachers but may be I am wrong and they were ... except I assume for the complete nudity in group and girls never wore the so poor protecting jockstraps. There was generally a double standard rule about the modesty.

To see a lot of other boys in just underwears ( at my time, always white briefs), or even stark naked or in jockstraps for some americans was a great experience at the coming of puberty, a" stimulating coming of age ritual" like you said, a mixed of excitation and embarrassment as it was said by Jimmy Johnson

it is why it is interesting to recall these physicals, at least we have lived a strong experience as it was later for those who have done their active duty.

it left memories that the guys who missed these school examinations will never have.

It is sad for them ...

"Davidwest"

You are right

it is the same in France : there is a big dividing line between the guys who had an experience of the army, especially of the military service and the others who have none.

When I was young in the 50's and 60's, all our fathers had known first a draft physical examination in front of the draft bard commission among a large group of young men stark naked in front of a lot of persons, and after the induction and the military life without much privacy.

So some attitudes were different than today : the fathers did not care about the shyness towards nudity of their sons like some can today, a complaint of a student boy about a required nudity at a physical examination would have made them laugh, the nudity of boys was not considered as a big deal until at least 18 age, on the reverse the nudity of boys and young men in an only male environment was considered as normal and even in front of adult women ( thre was no suspicion of a sexual interest of an adult woman for the sight of male teenagers in the nude!) , it was really usual to strip in underwear all together for a physical examination at school or for sport or for a summer camp, it would have been considered as stupid to require to stay dressed and to be examined one by one after undressing only in front of a doctor.

Our school showers were supervised and our Pe Uniforms requirements were enforced with serious consequences in case of disrespect and no parents complained.

I cannot talk about jockstraps because I never had to wear them and I think that I would have been embarrassed to be exposed in a gym wearing only a jockstrap with butts in plain view but may be like you I would have get over the initial embarrassment and feel comfortable once used to wear them publicly.

I cannot say since I have not experienced myself that situation.

As regards a scout summer camp, I have no more any experience of it but I am sure that such situations as yours might have occured in France with boys swimming in the nude in a lake or a pond or going to the showers naked and that even if they could be seen by some older women like those who worked in the kitchen or in the camp medical office. After all, they were adult women like mothers.

But I am not sure that it would have been the same if they had been also exposed to the view of girls of the same age who were in an other scout camp even if it was not expected and occurred occasionnally.

Esaterman - go to my profile and look at contributions, they are numbers 3 and 4 (early on). Hope you enjoy reading them.

"Dr Jay "

I go to your profile but I do not find it

how are called these contributions ?

@esaterman

http://www.zity.biz/index.php?mx=forum;ox=display;msg=324727

http://www.zity.biz/index.php?mx=forum;ox=display;msg=325002

I think these are what you're looking for.

Tjc .... thank you, simples! Esaterman - you click on 'more' in the headings at the top of the profile and a drop down menu will show options, one of these is 'contributions'. Trust this clarifies. End.

Thank you "Dr Jay and tjc 1098978 "

I assume that I have read the good message in the discussion " medical examination at school and university "

where you ( Dr Jay) are relating your physicals at junior school by group of four boys completely in the nude first in the waiting room first, then in the nurse office always by four and then one by one in the doctor office.

You give many details about the examination and of course I can notice that it was not very different from mine in the 60's in France except on some points :

As regards the set up, it was less embarrassing for me : only one room for the examination by nurse and doctor and entrance in this room one by one but undressing in a large group in the locker room... until briefs at middle school which must be the equivalent of the junior school for you and sometimes standing stark naked aside the door for a few minutes during the examination of the previous boy before entering in the examination room at high school.

I assume that you were between 11 and 14 age and it was the same set up each year of school ?

And you were always called for examination by four and instructed to undress until nudity by four which means that you could be eight in the nude at the same time in the waiting room when the next four were already undressed and the previous four were coming out of the nurse office.

It was odd that instead of checking your urine during the first inspections in the nurse office, you had to pee after when coming out from the doctor office to come back in the nurse office but behind a screen which gave you a little privacy but not much in that room since you stayed naked until the four boys had been examined by the doctor and only then you could get out in the waiting room where you had left all your clothes but normally you were seen again by the four next boys also naked who were now ready to enter in the nurse office.

Except the first group and the last one, every boy student was naked in front of eleven other students : the three of his group, the four previous when they get out and the four next who had just stripped completely..

I notice that the order of the examinations was not the same than for me : the doctor checked your spine and gait soon during the examination while it was in the last part for me and he did the eyes and ears tests while it was the nurse who did them for me.

Also he performed a visual inspection of your anus while we had not that kind of inspection at school

I don't remember also to have been lying on the stomach on the table examination for a check of the arms muscles or thighs muscles which you consider a little exciting when the doctor palpated them below the butts. I would have also found it exciting and embarrassing since it means that the doctor had a perfect view on your butts.

Only a military doctor did it to me at a medical examination after the induction while he was sitting on a stool and I was standing back to him, I remember clearly of that part of the examination because he not only looked my back and palpated the upper thighs but he palpated also the butts and pinched each of them strongly to make me tighten them before relaxing and he ended his inspection by giving me a good slap on them.

But except on these points it was very similar as walking in the room, in the nude, bending over and touching the ankles, the auscultation, the check of the reflexes, the thorough check of the penis with palpation with hands of the balls, retraction of the foreskin, opening of the top of the penis and so on ...

and I assume it was different at high school.

I always went to my own doctor for a yearly physical. Thank goodness I was not subjected to those humiliating rituals. The doctor was a little rough with me. He was a mean old SOB who did not like children at all. You could poor boiling water down his throat and he would piss ice cubes.

"Davidwest"

I agree with your comments in your message 11

you wrote that you were in underpants ( briefs) only for your group sports physicals and in jocks for your wrestling weigh-ins when you were in junior and high school and that it may sound strange for younger guys who have never had group physicals for school sports while for you and all of your age it was already a modest version of what your fathers went through with nude physicals for the military.

I think like you that some younger guys cannot understand some situations that they have not known and without some experiences of the past, they cannot understand how it was at that time, not so far but yet enough since it was before many changes in the society

In your accounts, after all, you were allowed to wear anything at all for exams and it was therefore a big step towards more respect of the modesty of male teenagers.

But after that you said that it would be interesting to know when and how took place that change and how much resistance there was from coaches and doctors to let the boys wear anything.

So it means that you believe that some years before you were a student, the school physicals for sport were performed in the nude as well as weigh-ins of wrestlers or skins exams and that neither the coaches nor the doctors agreed with the change which allowed the boys to wear anything

Have you heard something about that discontent of the coaches and doctors about that change?

and when did it change according to you?

The basketball coach handed each of us a letter for our parents at the end of the first practice and told us that our parents had to sign approval for us to have a physical at the school the next Saturday or take us to our regular doctor for a physical or we wouldn't be able to play. My mom said she would take me to the school on Saturday. I was thinking, okay, get weighed, take your shirt off, get checked then we're done. No. It was strip to your undershorts and form a line. Most of the boys were wearing white briefs but I and a couple of other boys had started wearing boxers. It was the first time I had been undressed in front most of these boys and I felt self conscious. When it came time to pull down my underwear for the doctor I was super embarrassed.

I had school medical examinations at age 6, 12 and 14. In primary school the doctors would stay in the school for over a week and examine all children in groups of around 12. It would take about 90 minutes to examine a group. Children with problems would be called back fro re-examination and parents called in for treatment to be discussed. We would undress to our underpants. One doctor would test eyes, hearing and take weight and height measurements and the other would be sitting on a chair with a line of children wanting to be examined. The last part of the examination was when the waistband of the underpants would be pulled forward and down to give the doctor access to the genitals without exposing the student to the others in the line. At 6 it was only a visual inspection, at 12 she felt my testicles and made a vigorous but unsuccessful attempt to get my foreskin back. At age 14 it was legend among the boys as to who had become erect during the exam. The doctors were mostly women.

I had my first school medical when I was 6 years old with a female doctor in my just in my pants (uk)when she told me to pull my pants forward and she put her hand down my pants and examined my penis and testicles and pulled back my foreskin when I was having my medical a girl came for her medical and saw me in my pants I did get to see a girl in her knickers when I had a medical at school when I was 10 years old