Hi Sinmast,

Rain is correct. The generally held rule of e-stim is never above the waist. The only exception really is with bi-polar clamps as you first described. This ensures the current path is extremely short and does not traverse the heart. The setup you described of nipple to clit would be a total no go from a safety perspective. E-stim is awesome, just be sure you play safe.

sinmast, you might want to tread lightly using e-stim that close to the heart. Psychiatrists who administer electroshock therapy apply the electrodes to the temples of the patient being stimulated. While e-stim is great, there is some concern with interferring with the electrical balance of the heart.

You won't get insurance to pay for a Paradise, Folsom, Sextek or Hottboxx or their electrodes, especially the insertable ones, which can cost $50-$150.

They will only pay for a medical tens unit, which typically costs less than a good sex e-stim unit.

Toolman-

There are plenty of folks on this forum that are far better qualified than I to advise you about estim but you might want to check out www.smartstim.com . It's a forum, much like this one and there seem to be plenty of "do-it-yourself" types there.

You may also want to check out extremerestraints for toys and devices. Estim gadgets can get pricey, that's for sure. As far as your power source (box) is concerned, if your doctor prescribes one for you, I'd go with what the insurance company will pay for. It's likely to be just the ticket!

Play On!

LadyDoc

I have severe back problems and take way to many pain killers. At my next trip to the doctor I am going to try to get him to prescribe a TENS unit. Now after reading several posts here I will definitely have a second ulterior motive for getting the unit. If I can get the insurance to pay for It what will give me the most bang for the buck. Any suggestions as to models, features, options, supplies etc. that I will need. I guess I will have to fabricate my own secondary probes for anal/other play.

All the new modern power boxes are based off the TENS unit. My first TENS unit, prescribed to me after a back injury originally cost $800.00, and had so many settings to it, that you would spend too much time just figuring out which was better.

TENS units began being made a whole lot more simple, and much cheaper as more and more of them were being prescribed by doctors. Eliminating a whole lot of those settings to just a few, more mass producing, and prices came down to around $80.00.

The first power boxes that hit the market, were of a simple design as well, having just a couple settings, and of course intensity and frequency adjustments. Folsem was the first big name in these, and they did sell a ton of them! They were much more expensive though, now in the $250.00 to $350.00 range.

Other manufactures followed, PES came out with their own power box, trying to make it exclusive only to their accessories. At first only manufacturing accessories for women, eventually came out with a line of products for men.

Naturally third party companies hit the market with accessories that would be compatible with most of the power boxes on the market.

For a very long time PES only sold direct, and not through any distributors. That had changed just a few years ago and naturally their sales have increased quite a bit.

With some companies specializing in products for women (like PES) and some for men (like Folsom), and third party companies making products for either, there became a market for 'adapters'.

And now there are adapters on the market to go from one manufacturer's products to another. Yes, even an adapters to connect a TENS unit up to those accessories, or TENS unit sticky pads to the power boxes. Some adapters can even be found at Radio Shack, such as those going to and from the mini banana plugs to micro banana plugs. But my personal experience with those were that they were very intermittent! I wouldn't recommend them.

The latest and most sought after power box for the last several years is called the Eros Tek. They do have several models, smaller more portable, similar to the Folsom and PES, one with a remote control and their premium, a fully programmable table top model. With more features, then I care to list here. But comes with a CD for PC programming of the unit.

Being in the 'industry', I hear a lot of feedback of such products, (as well as owning more than I would care to admit to!). I had heard the the PES power box isn't as good as a Folsom power box, or the Eros Tek boxes, even the cheaper ones.

Thus dealers don't push those as much as the Folsom or Eros Tek. With adapters readily available, one is not limited to only purchasing the same manufactures accessories, to go with their power boxes. One can pretty much mix and match whatever is desire these days.

So if you have, say a Folsom power box, you can connect PES accessories to it, and visa versa. Same thing with a TENS unit, you can find an adapter to connect any manufacturer's accessory to it.

If you have a TENS unit that has 'lots' of those adjustments and settings on it, about the only power box on the market that would supersede that would be the premium Eros Tek 312b.

Negative elwcetrode the black one is active one and this one gives the feel and the red one is there to close the electric circuit. If you don't know which one is which take the rubber thin squares of the wire and put them in to the cup of water put on the TENS the one eith more bubbles on it is NEGATIVE one.

TENS LoL never thought about it allways thought to use electrical stimulator ENS but if it works why not. My advice since I work with TENS (for a more casual use :D )buy those without sticky electrodes(they have some glue on itself and it gets dirty bu the time it falls off and from other side there is a cotton material that only makes cleaning harder).

Also look for GE ''general electrics '' once they are very good and have two channels so U can put two pairs of electrodes on it.

I have a PES the newest box with a couple of attachments. I have a sparkler which is the shorter urethra probe, and the tubular one you can do a lot of things with. I still haven't really been able to do much with it. If I turn it up enough I do get erect but can't seem to have a hands free ejaculation. I want to get a prostate probe and slim Jim the longer urethra probe. PES recommends not to go above the waste even if you use 2 probes per nipple I wouldn't try it. You never know how the current will flow being that close to the heart I would take there advice and not try it.

I have used the PES unit on myself (male) and have wondered about the LBM attachment for women and whether it really worked or not. Thanks for the input. I also like to wear the penile probes out in public turned on low so as not to reach orgasm. I keep it at a point where I can feel the stimulation but not at the pain level.

As the PES unit is made for Estim for sex instead of TENS pain relief I find that there is a considerable difference in the waveforms between the two.

I have been using a PES "Little Big Man" insertable bipolar electrode in my vagina for many years and it issuperior to any of the externally applied "Pad" type electrodes.

I am fond of wearing the LBM for long periods with the settings such that it is arousing and pleasurable but not high enough to make me come.

After a couple of hours I will usually turn it up and I come almost immediately.

I also find it is an amazing thing to wear while involved in online fantasy sex play.

I haven't used a TENs unit but there is a forum at www.smartstim.com that is excellent! I personally use a home-made unit that uses specially designed mp3 file. It is a most awesome feeling. You can adjust these to edge for hours!

If you're curious there is also an estim group at xtube that posts videos....

A TENS unit is not all that complicated, although I've never had one or used one. They are over-priced because they are a piece of medical equipment. They are not all that difficult to build, if you know what you are doing. If you search, you can actually find construction plans. Given the time, I might build one some day, but just don't have the time right now.

The reason I started this thread, I was wondering what it felt like, and I don't mean by attaching the electrodes to the biceps.

hoseman

look up Paradise electro stimulation, they have a complete line of electro gear that is the best by far. They are based in las vegas. I've been wired to many pes products and loved them all(well cept for tbe breast electro pads, those are a bit annoying).

Rubber hugs,

barbie

I've seen photos where a tens unit is connected by attaching electrodes to a dildo or directly to the body. Anybody tried this? I saw a video, the female seemed to have enjoyed the feelings, but once in a while would almost scream.

If you don't know, a device called a tens unit, stands for Transcutaneous Electrical Nerve Stimulation. They are usually used for muscle therapy. I've never seen one, they can be a small box with some controls and wire leads. They usually run on batteries so they can be portable. There is an adjustment where one can control the amount of stimulus, or minute electrical shock, to stimulate muscles.

Tell us about tens units

hoseman

I agree with the above that home made power generators or stereo units should not be used for e-stim. I have well over ten years experience with e-stim and it is simple and inexpensive to get a tens unit and some electrode pads to start. Put a pad on the base of your cock and one on the end and have fun. I have several e-stim devices made by Eros Tek and use them at least twice a week. HFOs are the norm but sometimes I edge.

I have both and i think they work about the same. Tens is cheaper so its a good start up kit.

I have two fairly large diameter key ring holders. Place the largest at the base of your penis and use a smaller one to slip at the back ridge of your glans. Make sure that they aren't to tight, remember you have to get them off! If you haven't been circumcised pull the foreskin all the way back. Vaseline Intensive Care hand lotion works well as a lubricant/conductor. Be generous when applying. The 2mm pins will slide into the space you open to slip the keys onto the ring. Start with the power turned down and work up slowly, otherwise it can be a BIG SHOCK! I also found that a faily large metal shot glass fits over the glans very tightly. Hope this helps and happy e-stiming!

You can also go to this web-site for interesting ideas and pictures. http://smartstim.com/forum/index.php?sid=433b0bfdad26fc8b8f09928d6a28e58b

I have a estim/TENS unit, is there a way to place the pads to derive sexual pleasure? I only have the regular muscular pads. If not, is there a way to hook up other equipment to the base?

Thank you!

I just purchased a 4 channel combination TENS and EMS unit. There are various programs where you can vary the pulse width from 50us to 250 us in the TENS mode, you can also vary the frequency from 20 cycles per second to 120 cycles per second. In the EMS mode the pulse width goes all the way to 450 us which is a fair sized jolt. The EMS mode an adjustable ramp from 1 to 8 seconds and then a relax mode. Lots of possibilities and opportunities to play and learn! ;D

PES is more aimed toward electro fetish scenes and have a much more varied amount of settings such as pulse and width of the pulse and time between pulses (electric pulses) they also manufacture their own attachments. TENS is a generic name for electric muscle stimulants that are often used for sports injury and such.

I found a nice site as well - great service, you can call for info if you have questions, very tastefully done too: http://www.kenstwistedmind.com

I have a tens unit and several attachments. I have even made some electrodes for it. There are several online sites where you can get attachments....medicaltoys.com, extremerestaints.com, fetishfactory.com are just a few.

We are just getting started with TENS. I have a unit that the insurance company paid for after my auto accident, for use during my rehab. I've found there are many great attachments that work with this unit and we are just now getting into that.

And the attachments came with mine from the manufacturer / medical rep were the pads. Ya have to go buy the fun stuff on the Electro sex sites. ::) The leads should all be the same from any unit so these attachments should work.

PES is a brand name, Paradise Electro Stimulations --> http://www.peselectro.com/ theirs is an EES

TENS is a type of device, Transcutaneous Electrical Nerve Stimulator --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcutaneous_Electrical_Nerve_Stimulator

Most of the generic TENS devices you see are a 2Ch device and mostly aren't isolated between channels -- which means no above the waist. There are some that can be used on nipples as long as the circuit is completed on each nipple and the device is isolated between the 2 channels. That usually means that at any one point, only 1 channel will be energized. It is never safe to use mono-pole connections above the waist, though it's done from time to time in movies -- I'd rather let them do that.

PES, ErosTek, etc usually make a higher powered, plug-in, more controllable device (more money) that can drive more attachments. For starters, the TENS unit usually is suggested since it's cheaper and does go up high enough for a while for startes. I've tried the Eros and PES and didn't like either. For me, I prefer the basic TENS on full power with no pulsing. The two women I've tried all the boxes on didn't really like either, in fact one could take a bi-polar vaginal probe and two pads (anal and other clitoral) on full power from both boxes and didn't even feel it. I most certainly could when I held the leads.

Just search online.. there's plenty of information to be had.

Can anyone tell me the difference between these 2 devices. I have a girlfriend that says she loves her PES and didn't like the TENS. I like my TENS just fine but have yet to get some fun attachments for it so I just have the pads.

I have a very nice 9 volt battery operated T.E.N.S. unit that I bought several years ago at a local flea market for approx $45.00. It came with 4 self adhering pads with leads. It has 3 sets of controls with 2 of them being variable adjustments for intensity and pulse length.

I have acquired additional patches and leads from a local medical supply house at a reasonable price. On one set of leads, I removed the patches from and soldered medical grade electrical clip connectors to enable connecting them to metal sounds after insertion into the urethra.

As the kind Doktor from Russia mentioned,sterility and sanitation are a must, if you don't you run a high risk of regretting it as a result of urinary tact infection. A pity she is so far away, I would be able to show her that my gentleness is not limited to just nozzles. :)

A while ago I got to use a TENS unit for a back muscle problem, I experimented with a few of the extra pads. I put one at the base of my penis and one just below the tip. Wow! I would like to try a catheter someday. Do they make probes you can pee through?

I began with a TENS unit but eventually bought an ET-312 which is the "cadillac" of e-stim machines. Electrodes around the head of the penis, the shaft, on the scrotum (shaved, of course) and in the rectum all produce quite different but interesting effects. In the right situation, hands-free orgasms are possible.

I have a cheap 2 channel tens unit I use with stick on pads. works pretty good.