Just took 3 bisacodyl tablets and plan on several enemas tomorrow. Don't know which will be worse.
rain: It comes from Ayurveda to begin to sip hot water 15 minutes after having swallowed Castor Oil.
littleamy19800, I have read that drinking warm water after taking the castor oil helps speed things along. Would imagine you could use tea. Have tried it and can only say I think it helped. Certainly the added fluid would be an advantage.
Stephens: All what you write upon the laxative effects in swallowing 2 oz Castor Oil is correct and well oberserved. May I note a completion: Castor Oil is splitted by the gall into the ricinoleic acid and glycerine. While the glycerine is a laxative, the ricinoleic acid activates the passive histamines in the small intestine, so the peristalsis will begin. Beyond this, in about 60 per cent of all the applications of Castor Oil a synthesis of the Prostaglandines E2 (PGE2) will take place, this with the consequence of a lasting cramping in the intestines and - exclusively at wives - of the womb. This is the reason why wives far advanced in pregnancy a big dose of Castor Oil is given.
Hello littleamy19800. I don't think that we can give you a definite answer for some of your questions. As to a maximum dose of Castor oil you really don't need to go above 2oz to get the maximum effect. The oil itself is not stimulating to the intestine, it has to be digested by enzymes from the liver to split it into compounds which stimulate the bowel. Once enough of the oil is digested the bowel starts to react and move the remaining oil along with every thing else. Two ounces is about all that will be digested before the bowel starts moving everything along. Overdosing does no good. As to how long the oil takes to kick in, every one is different. Plain or mixed, with or without hot water or tea, the oil works at different speeds for different people and at different times. One of the main complaints about Castor oil is unpredictability. This is also a benefit if giving it to a sub or as a punishment. Some people begin to get a effect in less than 2 hours, others wait for 6 hours before things get going. I know of no way to speed up this proces but taking it on an empty stomach will usually bring about an effect faster than taking it within a few hours of food. I would suggest that you have to try Castor oil for yourself. Take 2 ounces early in the day before eating with tomato juice or chocolate milk to help cover the texture. Just be prepared to give the oil time to work, then judge for your self if you want to try the tea or hot water on the next experience. You can judge for yourself how it works for you or someone you are giving it to. Experience is the best teacher.
Rain & Stephen: Thanks for the info. If 2 oz of castor oil is the minimum for full effect, how much is too much? How long does the Castor Oil take to work if I just drink with chocolate milk or tomato juice? How long does it take to work if I drink hot water or tea every 10-15 minutes after taking the castor oil?
littleamy19800, purchase a twelve ounce can of tomato juice. Pour that and two to four ounces of castor oil into a pyrex mixing cup. Mix thoroughly and place into the microwave briefly. It will be just like drinking tomato soup. The warmth will help.
You may find that 6 Dulcolax tablets is too much for you but if you have not done anything to irritate your intestine it should not kick in for at least 5-6 hours. Beware, you will not get any warning, just a overwhelming urge to go, and go and go. But it will not empty the small intestine.
I agree that castor oil can be tough to take. Try mixing equal amounts of oil and cold chocolate milk. I mix my own chocolate milk to make it very strong and follow up the mixture with straight chocolate milk. I will have to try drinking hot tea or water after the oil to get it to kick in faster.
If you are up for it try wearing a good diaper at night if you take either of these treatments. It should help to control the mess if the laxative kicks in while you are sleeping or gives you no warning, just an overwhelming urge.
Don't take less than 2oz of castor oil if you want the full effect.
I just found this thread - very interesting! StephenS: Can I really take 6 biscodyal tablets before bedtime and still sleep through the night? I know you can with smaller doses, but that seems like it would wake u up.
Right now I feel like I'm coming down with a cold and/or the flu. My 'proven' remedy is to soak in a tub full of hot water, usually with bubble bath, and upon completion fill my 4 qt bag (usually about 3 qts) by scooping and taking it while laying in the tub. I can hold it long enough to dry off and sit on the john.
I strongly suggest using a strip of duct tape to seal the "over-flo" outlet in the tub in order to fill it closer to the top. Quite often it keeps the cold/flu from developing.
Sipping on some scotch while soaking also helps. --works good.
i always appreciate the use of laxatives before bedtime and then plan on enemas til clear in the morning.
I find oral chemicals, euphemistically called pharmaceuticals, of any kind hazardous when a simpler and purer remedy can be substituted. Of recent times, this has been called alternative medicine. So it is with laxatives versus enemas. Bisacadyl has been around for several years now and will clean you out, eventually and possibly violently. My concern is with the side effects from the chemical might show up sometime later with who knows what symptoms. If you doubt my words, listen to the side effects of some of the chemicals that are touted on television at the end of the commercial.
All of this leads me to describe my clean out procedure, the four quart enema with plain water which works immediately. Its first cousin, the home colonic irrigation, is completely effective because it reaches all of the way to the illio-cecal valve without harsh chemicals. The only side effect might be that you retain a small amount of water which you discharge as urine.
I much prefer a colonic which relaxes, cleanses and warms the soul. Enemas have been around for millenia and their health effects and nearly non-existant side effects are well known. The alternative chemicals have been in use for a few decades and the jury is still out.
If the alternative is your choice, may God bless you.
For a good cleanout it is the best to swallow a good dose of Castor Oil, this early in the morning, not having breakfasted, and the next day to take a high volume enema.
Thank you LisaK,
Professionally I feel that your procedure is much too complicated and too taxing for the body, but It's your body and your procedure. I'm sure that others have made suggestions; I hope that you will not be offended by mine.
First night: Take a large, (your definition of large,) SSE with epsom salt, then take 6 Dulcolax tablets late at night. If this is too much for you adjust downward but not fewer than 4 tablets. This should produced a very forceful movement early in the AM by itself but it does not clean out the small intestine.
Wake up early and take 2-3 oz of castor oil. I know that it is gross but it does a good job of pushing almost everything out of the small intestine and the large intestine.
At this time you should be waiting for the Dulcolax to kick in. Take another large SSE with epsom salt and retain as long as possible. Expel when necessary, expecting brown liquid. The Dulcolax should push out all of this enema.
4 hours after taking the castor oil take a bottle of citrate of magnesia with 4 Dulcolax tablets
Rest and wait for 2 hours. Be prepared for sudden, strong movements going from dark yellow to clear. To finish off take another SSE with 6 Dulcolax tablets crushed in the first 250cc's and the rest of the enema in the knee-chest position rolling to the right side half way through.
Give yourself the rest of the day to eat lightly and recover. Be sure to drink fluids like Gatoraide as much as possible during the clean out.
To Steven S:
Don't know how far back you can go in the archives, but it's there. I've posted it before, but I guess it HAS been a while
How do I do a total System Cleanout?
How Often? I only do a system cleanout 3 or occasionally 4 times a year. Recently, I have gone as long as 7 months without a total cleanout. I would say that the number of enemas I was taking probably peaked a couple of years ago.
As for total system cleanouts, I plan them in advance. I clear the schedule for as many hours as I can, from the late afternoon of the day before the cleanout to the early morning of the day after. That way I can take as long as it takes and I don't have to worry about a schedule. I use my use-or-lose personal days at work to get the time!
As for the sequence, yes, there is a sequence and for a total system cleanout it is this:
I try to prepare the jugs of soapsuds at least a couple of days in advance. I eat a light lunch the day before, usually I try to eat low-fiber food, and not too much of it for lunch. About half what I normally eat. For dinner, liquids only, no dairy products, or alcohol. No snacking. I am a strict non-smoker, and I try to avoid second-hand smoke where I can.
Morning of enema: I start by waking up anywhere from 30 minutes to an hour early. I quickly shower, throw some cloths on and walk the dog. As soon as the dog is satisfied, I go into the kitchen and get the Pyrex 1 cup measuring cup, and the measuring spoons. I carry them into the bathroom. Then I get into the linen closet and get out some extra towels, including a big beach towel. I cover all of the important pieces in the bedroom with towels, in case anything splatters from the hanging enema bag. I then also put out two washcloths, one on the night table beside the bed, and another on the bed. I adjust the pillows so that the thicker of the two is just forward of the middle, and the lower, just forward of it. I place a beach towel over the bed, in case there are any dribbles, from the bag or from the rectum. I used to use 2 older drug store style 2qt bags, but lately, I have been using one of those, and one 3qt davol-style bag, with a hose made of surgical tubing, and a flaired applicator. I started using that after I purchased a 4-qt Great White open-top. I set the 4-qt open-top aside for now. I then get out the containers of soapsuds, and the Epsom Salt, and set them on the vanity in the bathroom. I then set up the pre-enema. I wash my hands thoroughly here. There are several approaches I can take. The preferred method is a Fleet Bysacodyl Enema, 4 Dulcolax tablets on the washcloth, and one glyceryn suppository. I place a tube of KY Jelly on the night table as well, within easy arm's reach. If I don't have the Fleet Bysacodyl Enema, then I place a local drug store's house brand Bysacodyl Suppository on the washcloth next to the glycerin suppository. An alternative is 2 Dulcolax tablets and a second Bysacodyl Suppository I get a stadium cup full of water, use that water to take 4 Dulcolax tablets, and drink as much of the rest of the water as I can
I have a digital clock on my night table, and I verify that it is positioned so that I can see it from the knee-chest position without my glasses.
I then take off my shoes, at least, usually strip to my underwear. Go back into the bathroom, and get on the scale. I use the weight I'm at at that moment to measure the Epsom Salt. I then measure out the correct dose of Epsom Salt, and use a funnel to get it into the 3-qt bag. I measure it out a second time and put that in the two-quart bag. I then get the air out of the hoses. For the hose that fits the 2qt bag, this is done by simply turning the faucet on slow, holding the end that the applicator fits on over the toilet, and the end that goes in the bag under the running faucet. When the flow is constant, I close the valve. The 3qt bag is harder. I have to fill a stadium cup, put the end in the cup, suck until I feel water in my mouth, and close the valve. I spit out that water. Then I take one of the jugs of soapy water, shake it up good, and pour some in each bag. I alternate between the two bags, so that the thickness of the soap should be about the same for each bag. I do that until both bags look about half full. Unfortunately, the only faucets I have where the bag can hang free are the bathtub and the kitchen sink. I kneel down by the bathtub holding one of the bags. I let the water run until it is as hot as it gets. Since there are no children here, I have the water heater set very hot. I fill the bag with hot water until it is just slightly over the threads for the hose. I attach the hose, trying to introduce as little air as possible. I do the same thing with the second bag. I take the 3-qt bag into the bedroom, and place it on the bed. I go get the 2 qt bag and place it on the chair in the corner. I get the stepstool and place it at the foot of the bed. I then remove my panties and put on a knee-length dorm shirt. Most of the time, I leave my bra on .I usually wear a simple cross-over. I save the underwire for the office, and evening. I go in the bathroom and pee. I then take the 3qt bag by the hook, climb up the stepstool, and hang it from the swage hook I put in the ceiling when I moved in.. I consider this the "point of no return" when there is no changing the sequence of the procedure. I then kneel down beside the bed. I spread my legs, and insert the glyceryn suppository as high into my rectum as I can using only my finger. Often, I get poop on my finger, and I use the washcloth to wipe it off. If I have the Bysacodyl Enema, I shake it gently per the instructions.
If I am using the Bysacodyl Suppository, I stand up, put the flaired applicator on the 3qt bag, and place it on another washcloth on the bed. Then, after about 5 minutes, I kneel down again, and insert the Byascodyl Suppository. One reason I prefer the Byascodyl Enema is that it is a liquid. Bysacodyl only works when it makes contact with the walls of the rectum, so the proper way to take a Bysacodyl Suppository is to turn it sideways, or push it over to one side, so that it touches the wall of the rectum. When you are self-administering, this is not easy! I make sure to wait 10 minutes or so for that suppository to start to dissolve. I usually get a slight burning to the rectum, nothing severe, and most of the time so mild I would ignore it any other time.
If I have the Bysacodyl Enema, I get on the bed; get into the knee-chest position with my knees on one pillow, my chest on the other, and my head on the fitted sheet over the mattress. I then insert the Bysacodyl Enema, and squeeze until it is totally flat. I quickly remove it, and just drop it on the floor beside the bed. I then take the nozzle from the 3qt enema, and I slowly insert it into my rectum. I make sure I have it pointed at the navel. Placing the other hand on the navel is sometimes necessary to make sure of this. Since it is the flared type applicator, slipping out is usually not a problem. I also make sure I have it inserted all the way. I get my other hand away from my tummy, and find a comfortable position for it. I take a few moments to relax as much as I can. Sometimes, one or two deep breaths can help. I note the time on the clock, I place my hand on the valve. I take a deep breath. Then I breathe in, open the valve, and breathe out. It usually takes a few seconds for that last air bubble to get to the bag and to get the fluid flowing. I can feel the fluid filling me, but it's not usually painful. When it is, the pain is slight and does not last long. The flow, with my bowel still full of poop, is about a quart per minute. After three minutes I look up and check if the bag is completely flat. Usually it is, if not, I wait until it is. I then close the valve, but leave the applicator in me. For the next 15 minutes, I'm on what I call the "Roller Coaster" I get these urges to evacuate every few minutes. Some are so intense I have to do some deep breathing, and/or kick my feet up and down a little in order to retain it any longer. Another thing that helps is to keep an old washcloth in easy reach that I can bite down on if the going gets too rough. There always comes a time, after about 15 minutes where the urge is so strong, I just have to run to the toilet. If possible, I try to unhook the empty enema bag and take it with me, but sometimes I leave it behind. When I sit down on the toilet, and remove the applicator, I just relax, and let it do what it's going to do. What it usually does is hit me with a large, watery, chunk-filled movement right away. This happens very fast. When it stops, I often feel some nausea, but I have not vomited since I've been on my own. I have the empty trashcan at the ready just in case!
Over the next 20 minutes or so, I get a series of loose, increasingly watery movements, often with little warning. I try to stay on the toilet the whole time since things are so unpredictable. Once I stop having movements, I get up, re-fill the 3qt bag with soapsuds only, no more Epsom Salt, in the same way as before. I then carry it into the bedroom. I get the 2qt bag I filled earlier, and hang it over the bed. I place the 3qt bag on the chair where the 2qt bag had been. I then just lie on the bed and do nothing for at least 20 minutes or so, often much more. It is typically about an hour after the first enema began that I get back into position, but always at least 15 minutes after any movements. During this time I sometimes feel an urge to evacuate. If I do, I head for the toilet, and try to push gently and pass anything that is ready to come out. I try to drink as much water as I can stand and I don't hold back if my body wants to pee, as it often does. Sooo sometime at least an hour, and often as much as two hours after the first enema, I get into position, and take the second enema, in the same manor as the first, only without any additional suppositories, or additional Bysacodyl. I have the KY Jelly at the ready in case the insertion is difficult. I often need a dab on the applicator itself, because my mucous membrane is now completely gone. Since this is the drug store style straight applicator, the KY jelly has to go on the applicator, and not too much of it, or it will slip out!
The second enema is the worst of the series. It ALWAYS has a difficult time going in, and the Roller Coaster is speeding often before it's all in. Sometimes, I even need to stop it for a minute, catch my breath (literally) and resume. I never make fifteen minutes on the second enema. If I get it to 7 minutes I'm happy, If I get it to 10, I consider that a complete success. There have been situations in which I took it too soon, or was too nervous when I took it, and I didn't retain. I had to expel and start over. I've learned to control my emotions now and that hasn't happened lately.
The second enema usually comes out all at once, but it ALWAYS comes out brown. I again lol around for a while after the second enema. I monitor myself for light-headedness, or feeling like I'm going to pass out. I can avoid fainting if I try, but I often have to work at it. I wait until I feel OK before attempting the third enema. That is usually an hour to an hour and a half, but it can be more, or less. Remember, the third enema is 3qt soapsuds only. The Third enema is usually the easiest. I have gotten a clear return on the third enema, but normally I don't It usually takes one or two more 3qt soapsuds enemas to get to a clear return. I've had it take more than that. If I don't get a clear return after about the 5th or 6th enema, I always consider taking the Phoso-Soda at that point. Certainly, if I have gotten to the 7th enema, and not gotten a clear return (That's happened about once, and I confess, I rushed the prep!) I go ahead with the Phoso-Soda at that point.
Once at a clear return, I then get out the 4qt bag, fill it with soapsuds and hot water so that the mixture is warm. I use the Simms Position with my butt elevated a little by a pillow. I use the 5-inch long "barium" applicator, which is essentially a 19th century douche applicator with the last 1/8th of an inch cut off. I insert it all the way. Again it is important to relax, and take a couple of deep breaths. I breathe in, open the valve, and breathe out, just as I do for any other enema. There is some pain, and occasionally a little leakage around the applicator. I usually get the whole 4qt enema in, however. I leave the valve open, even after it's all in, and make sure to hold my position. I'm tall for a woman, 5'11. I get it all in and my belly is distended like being about 4 or 5 months pregnant. It usually does not stay in long, typically about 6 or 7 minutes is it, I keep a dishpan ready in case I vomit. That has happened once, when I was a little too determined to hold it. When I can't possibly hold it any more, and I'm getting a little nausea, I get up, unhook the bag, and hold it above my head as I walk fast to the bathroom. I place the bag in the bathtub with the open end close to the drain, but not so close that anything can run out without my seeing it. I relax and let it flow. It comes out yellow, often with small scraps of undigested food. When that flow stops I remove the applicator and sit on the toilet. I usually pass two or three more movements, with each one getting progressively less yellow than the one before. Usually, the last movement is just clear soapsuds.
I have learned the hard way to kneel in front of the toilet when you drink Phoso-Soda This is because the "ginger lemon" flavored version of the stuff tastes so bad, you can throw it up immediately, with no warning. I try to use the unflavored if I can get it, because it is very salty tasting, but nothing I can't deal with. That said, I still kneel in front of the toilet, with a large cup of water in one hand and the Phos-Soda, just out of the fridge in the other. I take it slow. A sip of Phoso-Soda, and a sip of water, then wait for the gag reflex. Keep it in if you can! I usually can, but no guarantees. It usually takes about 10 to 15 minutes to get 90ml down. After I get the last of it down, I wait a minute, and drink as much of the water as I can. If I vomit, I wait two hours after I last vomited and take a bottle of Magnesium Citrate. So far, I've vomited exactly twice in quite a few years of doing it this way, but I always stay prepared.
Every case where I have vomited has been trying to use the "pleasant ginger lemon" flavor of the Phoso-Soda. I have NEVER vomited the unflavored!
I go lie on the bed for at least 45 minutes. Then the Bowel Movements start up again. They usually run yellow, and smelling more like vomit than poop.
That's the end of the procedure, I drink some Gatoraide, I get dressed after I feel good enough. I stay near the house for the next 6-8 hours, and I wait at least 2-3 hours before I eat anything. I can have another movement any time with little warning for the next 12 hours, and when it comes on, it has to come out quickly, so I can't wait too long to get to a toilet. I've stained the panties a time or two walking the dog 3 or 4 hours later. I have found that I can eat a little bit after about 3 hours, but it's better to wait 4 if I can since if I wait less, what I eat usually comes out undigested 45-90 minutes after I eat it!!
I will occasionally just feel bad in the digestive tract and take a single soapsuds enema to feel better. Last time I did that was back in the fall
Hello Lisak, Would you be willing to share your system cleanout procedure with us?
Several years ago here in Germany the «Dulcolax combination pack» was available, containing:
- 2 Dulcolax pills taken in the evening before going to bed
- 2 Dulcolay suppositories inserted in the morning
Be very careful!
Herbals especially. Many of them are not made with pharmaceutical quality control methods. They are not always the same strength from one dose to the next. The inactive ingredients may not be the same from one batch to the next.
When I do a system cleanout I take a high dose of bisacodyl(generic Dulcolax) about 2-3 hours before starting the procedure. I've had it kick in a couple of hours in.
The night before I go in for a colonic I take an herbal laxative that works overnight to make the colonic do a better job. Every therapist I've been to endorses this.
When I was a kid and my Mom gave me a laxative at bedtime she expected it to work as soon as I woke up in the morning. If it hadn't worked by 7 AM she would insert a Glycerine suppository and if that didn't make me go in about 20 minutes she would get out the enema bag and give me a large hot soapsuds enema to clean everything out of me.
The only "laxative" that I can remember was ground-up apricot & Senna leaves. --and that was on a daily basis. Butt I did get a lot enemas.
This was pretty much the same routine that I was subjected to as a child. The Enemas were always hot with baking soda and were preceeded with Milk of Magnesia.
In the "good old days" when Enemas were routinely prescribed by the Dr, a laxative was almost always included in the Order.
I was given both laxatives and enemas as a kid growing up, most of which I'm sure that I needed. I was usually given the laxative at bedtime and awakened in the morning to be given an enema "just to get me started" or so my mom always said. I would sometimes be given an enema both at bedtime and in the morning along with the laxative if she thought that I needed it and wanted to really clean me out. "GOOD ENEMAS" were my mom's usual treatment for everything though.
I love to do be prepared for an enema session. I took 2 or 3 dulcolax pills a day before the session, so have some good expulsions. I can't say it's amazing, but think it's needed. Before the medication, I don't eat anything hard, just having some soup or liquid nutriments. The day after I then can have a good session of few 3 liters enemas, sometimes more...The best is that the enema expulsion dodn't contains too much fragments.
When I do a cleanout, I use 6 bisacodyl tablets a couple of hours before an Epsom Salt and soapsuds enema.
I HAVE ONLY USED THEM TWICE WITHOUT AN ENEMA, AND MY EXPERIENCE HAS NOT BEEN POSITIVE.
I have found however that the best way to add "kick" to an enema is to inject a Fleet bisacodyl mini enema about 10 minutes or so before you start your main enema.
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