Being Put to Sleep

I had to go in recently for a D&C. When I came too I had round Tape stuck to the side of my breast. The only guy that was in the room I remember was the one who was putting me to sleep. Does he put the heart moniter stuff on and I suppose he got to watch the whole thing. I was just wondering. I didn't like him too much but there really wasn't much I could say about it at that time. Also some really young guy wheeled me back. Does he get to see everything or is he kept out?

It's kind of hard to say whether "this guy" or "that guy" was in the room during your procedure since we don't have a clue as to what their job titles are. The guy that wheeled you into the room might have been someone from transport, or a technician from the prep area. Chances are pretty good that he went to take care of other patients while you were in surgery.

You say that there was someone in the room that you didn't like very much. Did he provide professional care and do what needed to be done so you could be kept comfortable and made well? Then he did his job and that's all that matters. I don't know how we all got the impression that we are supposed to love our doctors. I have several doctors I don't care for personally but they give me superior medical care, have good reputations, and seem to know their stuff. That's all I ask, they don't have to win the congeniality award.

As for a medical worker "seeing everything" while you are under anesthesia; unless you are a supermodel or have something spectacularly unusual wrong with you, they probably forgot all about you before they clocked out for the day. That's not to say they don't care because they do, but you are one of many, many patients that they see every day. Unfortunately, having someone see everything is part of medical care.

I had surgery back in april and i was amazed how fast i was knocked out..i thought they could never get me to go under

"Better living through chemistry"!

Well in the room you go to till you can go home , it was full of people recovering ,so they must see a dozen or more a day. But that was my first time so it is something very new for me.

But it's not free and I pay alot for medical expenses. It is one of the few places where you pay large amounts of money and then must totaly submit to who ever is there.Now if you were really rich I'm sure you could get the best of whatever or whoever you wanted, I'm sure there wasn't any super model at the local hospital .

Now being naked in front of strangers is part of medical fetish.If it wasn't a big thing I wouldn't be here!

Once I asked one of the nurses at the regular doctors office if it was nice to get easy medical care by working there and she seemed a little upset and said she wouldn't want to be seen where she works and has her own doctor elsewhere. Now if being a medical professional why would she be uncomfortable being seen maybe naked by other professionals? It should no big deal.

Holland,

I can address the second part of your last post a few different ways. First of all, doctors should not treat their own employees, families, relatives, girlfriends etc because according to their governing boards, (the people who can, do and will, givith and takith away a doctors medical license) have very strict, although often not enforced rules, unless you are on their radar for another matter, against doctors or any medical professional treating the above mentioned. It's considered a boundary violation. Yes, it happens every single day. However according to the Gods at the medical boards, it's a huge no no.

Secondly, have you ever heard the saying, "don't shit where you eat?" Well, this saying can sort of be applied here. A good doctor/patient relationship requires you and the doctor to know anything and everything about you no matter how personal it is, as long as it pertains to treating you. And as we all know, either from personal experience or from stories from friends, the question we need to ask, or the doctor has to ask us are often times very very personal. And personally, I really don't want my boss knowing every aspect of my life.

It's not embarrassing for me to be partially or totally naked in front of my doctor, because he's my doctor and that's his job. It's not embarrassing or wouldn't be embarrassing for me to be naked in front of my friend if my friend was a doctor. However, I would be embarrassed to be naked in front of my boss.

There are multiple reasons having your doctor as your boss just causes to boundaries to be too blurred. Yes, sometimes it can work, often it can't. We are all human, and often times it's hard to be medically objective or to maintain boss/employee or doctor/patient boundaries when they are intertwined.

So, I'm sure that's clear as mud now no? lol

Great answer Mash, cleared it right up for me!

As a nurse in the medical field... when you've seen one naked body, you've seen them all. I know it can be embarrassing for the patient, but really, it's nothing that we haven't seen. And it's definitely not something that we leave the room and go chat about.

I had being put under

So you are Telling me all Medical people are the only ones who don't talk or think about the people they deal with all day.

I've heard enough real details to know different.One example I know from my husband who knew a medical tech who assisted in the OR who said he always got to check out any cute girls they got to prep. Now he was a nice guy and very good at his work but did enjoy the benefit.

Also an EMT who got a call for a pregnant girl and it turned out to be a girl he knew from high school and he got to see everything. Now he still did a good job but also got to check her out.Even if only for a few seconds till he got busy doing his job.

A friend was having her baby and glanced up and saw a cleaning staff looking in while her legs were up and spread.

I'm sure most get used to their job and when actually they get busy their mind is on their work but no body checks out a set boobs right in front of their face or looks at a girl now and then with her legs up and spread and never has a thought.I do have more examples if you want.

No thanks, we get the picture.

I have an example of a similar situation. When my daughter was pregnant with her first baby, her labor progressed very quickly and her husband was force to dial 911 rather than risk driving her to the hospital. The EMTs that arrived were calm, reassuring and professional. They loaded her into the ambulance but about halfway to the hospital, they were forced to pull into a parking lot at a convenience store to deliver my first grandson. My daughter said that the EMT that actually delivered the baby told her afterward that it was his first maternity call and delivery.

I was comparing notes with my best friend the next morning and she said her son had been out on his first maternity call the night before and had delivered a nice healthy baby boy. Of course, it was my daughter and her son. These two young people grew up together, went to high school together, and went to dog shows with their mothers for years. The EMT recognized my daughter, but she didn't recognize him. It didn't matter who saw what, under the circumstances it was unavoidable. My daughter always invites him (the EMT) to her son's birthday party and unless he's working, he shows up.

Sure, medical personnel are going to see things that we'd rather they didn't . Frankly, the fact that your friends in the medical profession are talking about it outside of work (to you) is a technical violation of HIPAA regulations and is punishable by fines, sanctions and prison if it's a serious enough offense.

Two thoughts here; if your medical provider sees "something", but provides you with good care and does everything they can to make you better, I say "stuff happens, get over it and move on". If you want to be treated by someone and not be seen, by all means, go to a country where the doc examines you from behind a screen or wear a burka. Not very effective, but whatever...

Holland,

Warning: And to everyone else, please do not misunderstand me. Read very carefully what I am saying here and do not read into anything that I type. Take it for what it is, read the entire post before you pass judgement.

I have to really cringe, and actually find it quite offensive when I hear people say, "all medical professionals...." In my opinion, it's really almost impossible, and not to mention unfair to classify any group of anything by saying "all...", especially when you are dealing with humans, as we are all very different. So, please don't generalize.

Now, here's where I am going to offend my own group/class of people, which is not at all my intention, so as mentioned prior to, please read this entire post before you comment.

We all know that there are "bad apples" in every single profession. It's a "human" factor and is unavoidable. You are occasionally going to have a doctor diddle a patient, a nurse give an extra narcotic that isn't scheduled, a teacher bully a student, a janitor steal trash bags, a secretary steal paper, or whatever, but thankfully, these are most usually the exception, not the rule.

The more you are around medical professionals the more what I am going to say would become apparent. There are different "classes" of medical professionals. Each and every "class" is held to a different set of standards/expectations/legal responsibilities. Yes it is true, some of the above mentioned are standard for anyone that works in a health care setting, such as what Ladydoc mentioned for example, HIPAA. Which is basically a set of rules that keeps our patients histories, medical, and personal information private. Also as Lady said, a violation of HIPAA's rules can and will, if the infraction is severe enough, result in prison time.

Okay, so back to the "class" break down. Basically, in a nut shell, the general rule is, the higher your degree the more you are legally and morally responsible for. Also, the higher your medical degree, usually the older and more mature you are.

I am still a paramedic, that's the medical field I started out in over 20 years ago, so I feel like I have the right so say the following....I was 18 when I started medic school, most of my college mates were the same age. Heck, I was still a virgin then. Of course when I saw nakedness the first few years I was embarrassed, and I probably made a few comments to friends that I clearly should not have been making. But I grew up, I earned a few other medical degrees, and like almost all other true, mature medical professionals, my job wasn't about nakedness, it was about my patients.

Yes I will fully admit, we medical professionals often talk about our patients, but only to other medical professionals, not to layman, but to be honest with you, we seldom talk about boobs, vagina's, or penis'. With the exception of the occasional patient that has something very abnormal and or that we might happen to find medically interesting. We also may talk about out patients to laymen but are very careful with what we say. And at no time is any personal information given out, dates of care, facility etc. A good example of this is, say for example, one of our friends has breast cancer. If I had a patient at one time or another with breast cancer I might be inclined to say, "I had a patient with breast cancer who told me that she was most afraid when...., or she stated that the most painful treatment was...., or I have seen a few patients with reconstructive surgery and the variables of their surgeries looked like..." But as I said before, nothing like, "Jeanie Anderson had a great set of boobies when the surgeon got done with her reconstruction, it's only been 5 months post-op blah, blah, blah." See the difference there? It's huge.

You have to remember, as medical professionals we love to learn and the human body never stops amazing us. For example, if a patient has a 20 inch penis, or testicles the size of basketballs, you bet ya we are going to talk about you, but, we are not going to talk about how good/bad that 20 inches will feel, but we would be discussing more along the lines of the disease process that made that happen, how and what we can do to manage pain, embarrassment etc. I can also honestly tell you, at least in all the places I have worked and medical professionals I have been around, of the few occasions we have heard a fellow employee make a rude or lude comment, we lost all respect for them, instantly. Not to mention, they usually lost their job, license, or were severely reprimand.

It all boils down to "class" and maturity. I know a crap ton of medics, STNA's, doc's, nurses and any and all in between, above and lower. Most "true and mature" medical professionals will not discuss intimate body parts in a non-professional manner about actual patients.

So let's be honest, I expect my doctor to be more mature and I hold him to a higher standard that I do the nursing assistant that is taking care of me. And as far as putting a person from housekeeping in the same "class" or holding them to as high of a standard as I do my doctor, please, be real. They don't have a medical license, they are not at all thinking with a "medical" mind-set when they see nakedness, or not usually anyway, I would expect something like that out of some of them, that's normal, they are in a different "class", not that by that I mean "class" as in less smart, lower, or anything like that, just different. Although, they still do have to abide by the Gods who regulate HIPAA.

So last but not least, remember this, if you hear a true medical professional, and by this I mean one with a license, not a certificate talk about a patients naughty bits, especially in a sexual manner, they are the EXCEPTION, not the rule. Also remember, if they are talking about someone else, then they would talk about you that way too. And from one true medical professional, professionally speaking, in my mind, that automatically makes them bad at their job, no matter how "good he is at his job".

And that my friends is my two bucks worth and a little bit more.

Mashie.

I understand what you are saying.I hope most are that way. I was just saying that as with all work places you have good and bad and some in between.And if someone was thinking of or checking out a patient I'm sure they would not say anything to get in trouble.

All I asked was who stuck tape on me and I guess who ever wanders thru when they were getting me ready can watch.

Also no matter how many times I hear they have seen it all it still is a very big thing for me to be seen naked by strangers. It's what gives me my type of medical fetish.The helpless exposed feeling. Loss of control.Humiliating. Whatever you want to call it.So if I share these feeling I don't want to feel like I'm being put down or criticized for it.I had great female doc who's place was bought out by a big medical group and she left and I told the new male doc how hard it was to get used to anew doc and he said we doctors do that (move around).The biggest problem with medical professionals for me is the attitude of get undressed we seen it all before.It is for me and also what give me the fetish.I guess from my early experiences.

Holland,

First of all, all of your feelings are quite valid and normal. Most people believe it or not, medical fetish or not, have uneasy feelings about being exposed in front of total strangers, or medical personel.

For a lot of people here, the helpless feeling, or being exposed to strangers, or being humiliated is why they have a fetish, and I am not just talking about a medical fetish either. So while you are having feelings of being abnormal, actually, you are normal. So no one is putting you down for these types of feelings. If you would just start reading some of the other threads, what you are feeling and how tons of others feel the same, will be obvious.

As medical professionals we do often say to patients who are starting to get flustered or embarrassed, "We've seen it all before". We do this to try to put you as the patient as ease. We are not actually trying to give you attitude.

What you have to understand and realize is a few things here. We really have seen it all before, or most of it anyway. We are not at all interested in oogling your nakedness, as a matter of fact, we really wish we never had to look at nakedness for the most part. We do understand that it's embarrassing to expose yourself to others, we feel the same way a lot of the time too you know. We get that.

But the biggest thing here is, we are all adults, lets act accordingly. You usually know what you are going to the doctors for before you get there, so you need to be mentally prepared prior to going. So it's time to basically suck it up and deal.

I have to be honest with you, there is nothing that drives most of us more crazy and angers a lot of us than patients that hem-haw around about stuff. We don't have time to play games. Most doctors offices schedule anyplace between 6-12 patients per doctor an hour. And believe it or not, they have to to be able to make their bills. So a patient who crys and whines about this that or the other only angers us because we don't have time for that behavior. We are more tollerant with kids, but adults, not usually at all.

Again, in a hospital setting time is money, money is very tight, especially with the new cuts in healthcare. Everyone has a job to do and not enough time to do it in. So, it's not a matter of "whoever walks by" type of thing. There just isn't time for that. I don't know who placed the tape on you, but I can assure you whoever did did so for a good medical reason and was the one that was supposed to. And I am guessing the guy that put you to sleep for your D and C was also a doctor. Depending on what he was using to put you under, he probably didn't leave his seat at the top of your head. So could he see everything if he wanted to? Yep, probably if he got up and walked around. Did he? Probably not because you don't have anything different from everyone else, and he's already seen it all, besides that, he doesn't care, his job is to make sure you are breathing, that's all he cares about.

Mashie said:

. . . . As medical professionals we do often say to patients who are starting to get flustered or embarrassed, "We've seen it all before". We do this to try to put you as the patient as ease. We are not actually trying to give you attitude. . . . .

While that may be true, the reason saying "we've seen it all before" to a patient who has something as benign as a burn on their breast from dripping too hot wax, or to a guy or gal with a sex toy stuck up their ass that doesn't make them feel any better is because we haven't seen THEM that way before.

Susie, you make a very valid point. And to the person that is having to expose themself, all that matters to them is exactly what you said, "we haven't seen THEM that way before". However, given the examples you have, people in that situation should be embarrassed, but not because of what we are looking at, body part-wise, but because they didn't educate themselves properly before engaging in those kind of activities. I have been there and done that a time or two, and I wasn't embarrassed really at having them see nakedness, but because I apparently had been an idiot. LOL

I can honestly say I love and care about my patients, and often, it's not always as evident as I want it to be, but I do strive to be better and better on a daily basis at that.

I know you really do care about your patients, I just wanted to clarify that we haven't seen THEM in an embarrassing way before.

I couldn't agree with you more. I will also try to keep your wise words in mind the next time I start getting irked. We were always taught in school to, "try to put yourselves in your patients shoes to better understand what and how they might be feeling."

I guess some of us tend to forget that sometimes in our rushed state of mind.

Thanks for the reminder.

Mashie

Thanks I've thought about it more and I can see where someone doing it for along time becomes used to it.

Actually I'm going back in again just had my pre op physical and all that was a little weird was the guy who did my EKG.

Another question about this. I never have said anything when having things done , so I'm not a complaining patient ,I keep my thoughts to myself. My pre op physical went fine with a very nice female doc listening to my heart and lungs and stuff. But the guy that gave me the EKG was kinda creepy , right down to wearing a gold necklace .What should I think?

You shouldn't think anything at all. It's a little passé, but a lot of men wear necklaces. Frankly, if the tech wants to wear a necklace, that's his business, not yours. It doesn't have any effect on how he does his job. If your doctor was wearing a necklace, would you give it a second thought?

Are you thinking that because he wears a necklace he might be gay? Again, what he does in his bedroom is no more your business than the activities in your boudoir are to him. Let's face it, if he was gay he certainly wouldn't care that he was putting sticky pads all over you. Given the tone of your other posts, that should come as a relief to you.

Good luck with your upcoming procedure, I'm sure it will go smoothly.

But the guy that gave me the EKG was kinda creepy , right down to wearing a gold necklace.

That is a new one for me Holland. Since the time of the Ancient Egyptians and likely civilizations before, people have adorned themselves with gold and other jewelry. I wear a heavy gold neck chain as well as a heavy gold bracelet 24 hours a day and have for decades now. It has nothing to do with my sexual orientation (100% Straight BTW) and if it does, they are very masculine designs which define me as not being Gay in my opinion. They must look good since I frequently receive compliments from the opposite sex, who know immediately by my manner that I am Straight. If you found him creepy I would hope it was for other reasons than his jewelry.

DrJ58 - I certainly did not mean to imply that you (or your choices in jewelry) are passe. In fact, I find men that aren't afraid of a little bling quite attractive. Perhaps I spent too much time in New Jersey!

I didn't think he was gay. He talked way to much and looked like an old version of an Andrew Dice Clay. I'm not into guys with jewelry. I don't exactly know how to explain it.But now that you mention it I don't remember ever seeing a male doc wearing a necklace. If he had a big heavy gold one I'd get another doc.It would not seem professional.

I was doing good being relaxed and then he came in, the loss of control starts. I'm not comfortable and there really isn't anything I can do about it.It went really quick.But I Really don't like being touched by strangers.I do understand the need to have things done.I guess I wish I could just relax and not feel uncomfortable.The hospital thing is a strange feeling place if you don;t spend much time there.At least for me.

Holland - I can't say that I agree with your attitude regarding male doctors and jewelry. To say that you would move on and find another doctor just because the man was wearing a necklace is unusually narrow-minded. Would you do the same if it was a female doc wearing a necklace? What if there was a religious medal at the end of that necklace? It's not the jewelry that's professional or not, it's the person himself and his attitude that is (or isn't) professional.

As for your anxiety, THAT I can understand. In play situations, that loss of control is what turns my key but in real life, I don't like that feeling any more than the average bear. When it comes to non-surgical situations, could you take a trusted friend with you as a chaperone/advocate? My partner comes with me to as many of my appointments as he can, and he was definitely there when I had my colonoscopy in June.

It might help you to remember that as a patient, in real life and in play, YOU are in control. The reason for this is that you have the right to say NO at any time. Nobody can force you to do anything you don't want to. A little over a year ago, a doctor told me "you HAVE to do this". I looked up at him and said "no, I really don't HAVE to do anything". It was quite a surprise to him to be reminded of patient autonomy but I think he had a new feeling of respect after that incident. I have been known to refuse one diagnostic when a simple blood test will give us the same answers. I also understand that if I refuse a suggested test or treatment, the consequences of that refusal are mine to bear.

Have you told your medical care providers that you are a "jumpy" patient? They can't help you if they don't know, and they aren't mind-readers!

DrJ58 - I certainly did not mean to imply that you (or your choices in jewelry) are passe.

No implication was taken LadyDoc. Some people are into nose rings and tongue piercings, which I think may go out of style a lot quicker than my jewelry. I am very comfortable with it and feel undressed if I am not wearing jewelry, in particular the neck chain and bracelet. I no longer wear rings but for many years I did and I always had to remove them to play doctor. I sort of miss them since it completed the accessories but it does have an upside.

Although it is in a play situation, my patients find me overly professional in my lab coat with a dress shirt and tie, gold watch, and cufflinks, when they do not see my neck chain. Most say they prefer me in scrubs where they see me more casual, and of course they see any and all jewelry as a result.

I went to the dentist and he administered laughing gas (nitrous oxide) When I woke up I was laying in the chair with both my hands down my sticky pants saying Oh Oh Oh and I remember the dental assistant just staring at me for the longest time. I was so out of it but I think something got touched during recovery that day.

I've never had laughing gas but a pill to relax might be nice.I didn't really mean any necklace.The heavy fancy gold kind. Maybe on a hollywood plastic surgeon.

My husband almost always comes with me now, but this time they told him to go get lunch or wait in the waiting room.I guess we should have insisted.But thanks as you have helped a little.

I go in tomorrow and will let you know how it went.Plus it is more down below work.The change of life for me hasn't been good so that makes it worse.

I think I understand how Holland feels..

My Sister was a theatre nurse, and told me that they would protect their patient's modesty until they were under, then off the sheet would come, leaving the naked patient in full view of everyone in the room, obviously everyone there was justified to be there and were professional, but on full view none the less, and especially for women when having thieir legs put in the stirrups for gyn work..most embarassing.

I know for a fact that in some cases junior Dr's were encouraged to practice their pelvic exam techniques, and were taught how to give an internal exam, while the patient was under. Sometimes as a group.

So, I understand her thoughts of not knowing who was looking at her, but maybe its a good thing we don't know.. and are safe in dream land!